As anybody who has been within shouting distance of me over the past 2 years know, I consider Tom O'Neill's CHAOS: Charles Manson, the CIA, the Secret Histor. I am also considered an information hoarder. He lived in 1940, at address, Indiana. Speaking of Dean Moorehouse at Cielo Drive, I thought the following quotes in Tom O'Neill's article "The Holes in Helter Skelter" show that he was indeed at the house but during the summer of 1968.Tom O'Neill writes:But when had Moorehouse taken up residence in the Cielo Home? "ThanksMario George Nitrini 111-------The OJ Simpson Case. He GAVE his daughter to Manson. Reeve Whitson passed away at age 63 years old on October 25, 1994. Some sources report that Susan Atkins didn't do any stabbing that she called upon Tex to do it for her. It's such a huge book with such a plethora of facts and information that one can semi-overlook things that don't make a material difference to the case. But can you tell me where you read that Mike Deasy attacked Charles Manson with a pitchfork at Spahn's Ranch?I've heard the story online, but where is the original source from what book?Thanks so much. The Manson Family was certainly involved, but they were not the only ones. In the Sanders book that I have it says Hearst delivered the bike between 6.30 and 7.30 which, according to Hearst is accurate as he testified arriving "about 7.00pm" and left "about 7.20. I would love to publish my book but I wrote it a certain way and don't want it to be cut up amd I don't want to be sued. Did you come down on your own?A: No, I have been called by his office to come downQ:Who was present when you were shown the photographs?A:Mr. Reeves WitsonQ:And Mr. Bugliosi?A:And Mr. BugliosiQ:And yourselfA:And myselfQ:And no one else?A:No one elsebeauders saidwhere have you been?Oh, just lurking for a while. Kay told him that Manson and Watson had been to the Cielo house when Terry Melcher and Candace Bergen were there. [Irvin is talking about Reeve Whitson - Ed.] That's one of the reasons that there is so much wrong info out there on this subject and why so many ridiculous theories abound and so much importance is placed on anything that appears to be new and vital.So, with all that in mind, just where would information pertaining to Dean Moorehouse molesting his daughters have come from ? When they got to Cielos gate, he started asking weird questions about the cars in the lots. One correction grimtraveller.When took Charles Mansonbt that "construction site," and later went to The Fireside Inn to hear him play & sing, I had just turned 18 years old, not 19 years old.Oh brother, these senior moments are becoming more & more frequent.GESHLOL Mario George Nitrini 111------The OJ Simpson Case. "pg200LAPD Sgt Mike McGann, Tate investigator: "He was heavily involved." %PDF-1.7 % In fact, did he even mention the Family ? EL-KABONG! Grim said Another, more serious, error in HS, p. 49, is that it gives the license plate of Parent's car as ZLR 694. I don't know if it's a typo or just laziness. ONeill interviewed Hatami who said that Bugliosi knew Reeve very wellHow would Hatami, who met Bugliosi only a couple of times, and on official business {ID photos, trial} know who Bugliosi knew, well or otherwise ?Hatami also told ONeill that he first heard about the murders from Reeve. William Garretson claimed that on the afternoon of August 8 while hitchhiking back to Cielo, some guy dressed as a hippie, picked him up. Winifred Chapman claims the flag was there so either you take the word of a murderess or the flag was on the couch when Chapman left on Friday afternoon and then put back by whoever went back to the scene, perdonallp I believe it was there and Krenwinkels goofy ass didn't notice it or just plain lied, like Harold True said "Krenwinkel carries her brains in a lunchbox" lol. I don't buy into Bugliosis's Helter Skelter narrative however some of the girls have attested to This. This is the third time. William Weston said Hatami also told ONeill that he first heard about the murders from Reeve. Neutralizing the Left The Lawyer Swap Manson's Get-Out-of-Jail-Free Card The Haight-Ashbury Free Medical Clinic Mind Control Where Does It All Go? He was very helpful with the police investigation and with District Attorney Bugliosi. In the Sanders book that I have it says Hearst delivered the bike between 6.30 and 7.30 which, according to Hearst is accurate as he testified arriving "about 7.00pm" and left "about 7.20. L`L,3`v]fUn,^/ {N n^{a "2d`5`,/ f30ul#9@ o+ O'Neill also quotes the LAPD's Lt. Helder, who refers to Whitson in the book "Five Down at Cielo Dr" under a pseudonym "Walter Kern," confirmed by LaJeunesse. You ought to get a hold of the trial testimony of his parole/probation officer, Samuel Barrett. @TY > No offence, but you just come across as someone with an ability to write in capital letters and spout opinions that reveal nothing more than an anti~Bugliosi bias but no actual substance to back up whatever your opinions may be. "Not every detail in "Helter Skelter" is correct. Delivering arms, drugs, people, children were his usual business. A lot of people who were involved in this event are dead now, some won't talk and others have spoken of what they know. I've used it myself. ONeill got a lot of help for his book from Stephen Kay. While I'm impressed by the civility here, it surprises me that so many people are dismissive of Reeve Wilson's role. The Affair ran on Showtime for 5 seasons, only recently ending in November 2019.The show follows the marriages of Cole (Joshua Jackson) and Alison Lockhart (Wilson), and Noah (Dominic West) and Helen Solloway (Maura Tierney). It involved every dirty trick in the book. Reeve Whitson slept on a cot in his parents' kitchen, drove a Pinto, and left unpaid hospital bills when he died. Sometimes, it's actually worth following theories to a logical conclusion. ONeill got an unpublished manuscript called Five Down at Cielo Drive written by three authors, Lt. Helder, Paul Tate, and an FBI man named Roger LeJeunnesse. I don't see how O'Neill could have put that in his text without appearing overly pedanticYeah, I can see that. Family, friend, or fan, this family history biography is for you to remember Reeve Whitson. Not now, however. %%EOF He was connected with Nazis, top US Gov. He's scared to die now that he's in he's eighties, so I don't see him killing himself. Thabk you, Bunkhouse, Does anyone have any additional info on Reeve Whitson? This is a bit off topic. But it was in those early days of '69 that it began to assume a definite shape and that the rest of the Family began to understand and assimilate it {well, as much as they did understand and assimilate it}. This comment has been removed by the author. Maybe he was there during Sharon's lunch with friends but nobody saw him because he moved too fast. I have to confess to a certain amusement at the personages you drag out to lend credence to your theories of the moment. ONeill interviewed Hatami who said that Bugliosi knew Reeve very well.Hatami also told ONeill that he first heard about the murders from Reeve. Sheilah nodded. Well, the obvious question to me would be "why would he be talking about a race war to a complete stranger in January of 1969 ?" I do not believe we will ever know the truthYou have the truth. But not on substance.because as far as I can see, there hasn't been any.I will say this; I have no idea if you met Charles Manson in January of 1969 on some construction site. Since O'Neill's sources said that Whitson was in the house after the murders but before the police came, O'Neill draws the conclusion that Whitson was Manson's partner. Livestream from our facebook group discussing strange character Reeve Whitson apparent "friend" of Tate Polanski and Sebring, also apparently associated with Charles Manson and Spahn Ranch. Has anyone considered the possibility that Whitson was working for Peter Folger (Abigails Dad)?We know Mr. Folger was having Abigail watched by private detectives because he was very worried about her "associations." They were estranged at the time and that was the only way for him to track her. This is the first time Whitson comes up during Hatami's period under oath;BUGLIOSI: Do you recall coming into my office, Mr. Hatami, about a half a year ago?A:YesQ:On the fifth floor of the Hall of Justice?A:I don't remember the floor. Virtually all of the info I've dug up about Whitson parallels what my friend remembers with the exception of Whitson's family ties. . For some it was possibly a fascinating exchange because as is your wont, you tend to be a great promoter of intrigue and mystery and you have a way of seeming like you have some dynamite for demonstration..but it never explodes. When I went to The Fireside Inn that night to see him play his guitar & sing, there were 4 girls oowing & ahhhing with his every move. Well we don't really know Whitson's story at the source. The police report mentioned above said that Dareff was at the house to deal in drugs.I bring this up because I believe the occupants in the house were given lethargy-inducing drugs to reduce their will to resist, perhaps LSD tainted with an animal tranquillizer. What mystery within a mystery gnaws at you the most? Others seperately said Whitson was CIA. Mon Durphy said"Winifred testified that the flag was on the couch THE DAYS LEADING UP TO THE MURDERS AND THE DAY OF"Where did she say that? 0 Now Manson is a "secret agent"? Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties; Prologue (Video) Epilogue; Chapter 12 - Where Does It All Go? There is more to his background, but I skip to Aug. 9, 1969. 'Nuff said.Melcher moved out of Cielo Drive in December of 1968. I also suspect John Lennon's murder is simply another example of a CHAOS/COINTELPRO operation, to discredit the Beatles and demean opposition to the Vietnam War (as far fetched as it sounds). Reeve Whitson? Rick Dalton got Susan with the flamethrower and Cliff Booth smashed Krenwinkels face into the phone, fireplace mantle, glass picture on the wall and the coffee table so it's all good. This program was headed by Gerald Shur of the DOJ. And did he not usually have permission for the few occasions he travelled out of state ? Multiple people told O'Neill that Whitson was an intelligence agent infiltrating Manson's group as well as the entire Laurel Canyon milieu. And even then I might not look at it for 5 years. Can you put up Hursts testimony in order to settle who was right, Sanders or Bugliosi?Sanders is right.The first Tate homicide report states exactly what Sanders says in your quote. The following book about the Nazis, published in 1961 shows this fact on page 1 where the title and name of Reeve Whitson appears. Moorehouse was a bum! I can't believe people are trashing O'Neill's book. Krenny later testified that she was sure the American Flag on the sofa wasn't there during the murders.And the scene was littered with marijuana and cocaine, even though no residues of those drugs were found in the body fluids of the dead.I am now thinking those items were planted at the scene to subtly demonize the victims and to enable police to go off on their sham 'drug burn' diversion. It seems that every time someone new "writes a book" they come up with all kinds of things that have never been thought of. It was a probably Whitson tracking Abigail. As I have indicated on an earlier thread, according to the Marie Vigil letters, the man who left the eyeglasses was Robert Linkletter. Yeah everything's okay, just some stuff I've gotta get thru. There are a number of people mentioned, for example in that first Tate police report, many of whom were involved in the investigation whom we never hear of again. "I agree. grimtravellerThis is a bit off topic. They do a lot of illegal, ugly things against man's law, and against God's law. He was connected with Nazis, top US Gov. You give a certain impression that actually is not so. Well (1) the flag was there and (2) I don't know why that's a point of conjecture and (3) I've still never heard of Reeve Whitson. It's a similar story regarding where the LaBiancas lived, what with all the rumours and theories about Leno moaning about the noise from Harold True's house or chewing out Charlie ~ when a bit of checking will reveal that it never happened. The last is the clincher. He dumped bodies in Portland and there are a bunch of missing prostitutes in that time frame in Portland as well. After reading Chaos, I find Wilson to be a very compelling figure in the Manson case. Whitson was a former CIA agent who had worked extensively in Latin America including Ecuador. He was friends with Jay Sebring and Polanski was a buddy of his, and the Beach Boys--and he met Manson through all this. When I think of those kinds of things, I actually start to get scared. Really? Someone you don't know, ostensibly on the other side of the world, appears and starts making claims about "HAPPENINGS" at "SPAHN RANCH" when some bikers hung up there at the same time a group of people that spawned a number of murderers. Has anyone ever heard of it?According to the manuscript, Helder told Whitson to cozy up to anyone who knew Frykowskis suppliers, especially those in Mama Casss circle. hb`````fc`e`-bb@ ! 00 10(tl I mean, to this day, you will find many people parroting it as fact and creating all kinds of mysteries as a result. He began the process around the start of Oct '69, a couple of weeks before Manson was arrested at Barker Ranch {for something unrelated}. And, remember, I'm a skeptic who applied critical thinking to every claim in the book. Melcher moved out in January '69 and the day after he moved out, Moorehouse was sent to prison for selling acid ~ he'd been found guilty on Dec 17th '68.The interesting thing about the Hearst times in "HS" is that both in terms of the police report and the court testimony, what is given in the book is inaccurate but not exactly uncheckable and not of earth shattering proportions. I would love it if Stephen Kay wrote a memoir, not just for the Manson stuff but because he nailed that scumbag Lawrence Bittaker. Dr Paul Andrews, a CIA physician, woke up with permanent brain injuries without any physical infliction. The documentary itself raises more questions than it answers and can't shed a positive light on the investigation, which was one of its goals. There's one part of Whitson's story that makes no sense to me. After several years of this, they administered the coup de grace by immortalizing . Some people have a fairly good memory recall; of the death troupe, Susan & Linda seemed to. Thus some tainted drug had to be given to them. My opinion was Charles Manson was not very good at all.So, does my Twitter inter-action with George Christie mean nothing to you? William Weston said ONeill got an unpublished manuscript called Five Down at Cielo Drive written by three authors, Lt. Helder, Paul Tate, and an FBI man named Roger LeJeunnesse. He boasted about his activities in South America, for instance his involvement in the capture of Che Guevara . There were a lot of discrepancies in the crime scene that could be resolved by assuming persons other than Texs team made entries into the house. Is there a pic with the couch with a flag?I can look, but I have to say, I'm just exhausted and will retire for the night.And don't nobody say "yeah". 77 0 obj <> endobj We know that Moorehouse was convicted in 1991 of "lewd and lascivious acts on a child under 14." Virtually all of the info I've dug up about Whitson parallels what my friend remembers with the exception of Whitson's family ties. That's all. 8. I'm almost endlessly fascinated by the number of people who seem to have made it their life's mission to discount the overwhelming evidence that demonstrates that for the most part, things were as they were shown to be. He also knew Charles Manson. I read Chaos, and while O'Neill was unable to connect many dots, much of what he discovered was fascinating. That is assuming I outlive him. He'd get arrested, that's all.That makes absolutely no senseIt makes abundant sense. They could have played a part ranging from major to minor.We know that Reeve Whitson was an investigator of some sort. It had been there ever since Voityck and Gibby (Abigail Folger) moved in. She'd nod and say she knew, but that Gibby and Voityck thought it was very funny. Versions of how the flag got there:Coroner, Thomas T. Noguchi and Joseph DiMonapg132the large American flag draped over the couch. While Manson was near the porch, Sharon Tate came to the door to ask who it was, and saw Manson. One learns again that the jury were not sunshine supermen but flawed characters, just like us. The CIA are not nice guys. In January the actual mechanics of HS were barely formulated in Charlie's mind. It does seem that his place in the scheme of things is being ramped up in the absence of anything new and groundbreaking. However, it's important not to make the same mistake some make with Charles Manson and ascribe responsibility for every dodgy activity that took place within a given span and vest them with superhuman powers. Or was he himself a willing pawn in a greater scheme he wasn't aware of?The CIA are not nice guys. I certainly wouldn't play the game of being a tease but if I did, I wouldn't be irritated if people didn't take what I said with any great seriousness. They were connected to Ed Durston, boyfriend of Diane Linkletter. CAROL!!! That sounds like a made up name. There is a lot more here that doesn't add up. Or better yet, he's like "The Flash". He might have been seated between Jay & Sharon at dinner, being BFF's with them and all.But then, he was Gone With the Wind.Sorry guys, I'm having a hard time believing that someone with super powers like this mysterious guy was so very close to Sharon & Jay, yet did nothing to prevent their murders. William Weston saidHatamis testimony on Whitson. Along with Zamora's book {of whom he is highly critical} and John Baer's wife's book, it is gold dust for seeing the jury's perspective. It's all bullcrap, I may not be a believer in Helter Skelter being the motive but some of these conspiracy theories are beyond ridiculous, Reeve knew where all the bodies were buried, and who was involved. Manson's partner left a pair of eyeglasses by the steamer trunks. He was probably there for the bike delivery, the hippie van delivery and at El Coyote dining. None of them saw the scene in the daylight and none of them saw the place again after they'd left Cielo. My conclusion, given the research I've done so far, is MY FRIEND"S FATHER KNEW WHITSON (if Whitson existed) and used Whitson's information to disguise himself or Whitson used my friend's father's info to add to his own. No, I said Winifred testified that the flag was on the couch THE DAYS LEADING UP TO THE MURDERS AND THE DAY OF, so that would mean someone took it off after she left and replaced it by the next morning OR Krenwinkel is either forgetting it was there (most likely) or lying about it not being there (least likely), most people in the group regarded Pat as either extremely shy or a tad mentally retarded which I believe whole heartedly, Also William this whole Reeve Whitson is bullshit, he was never there, I've heard NOTHING up until now of his claims of being there and oddly enough these claims surface right around the 50th anniversary, as Archie Bunker used to say "let's cut the crapola, heh?". Reeve finally returned home late that night, but never said where he was during the hours he was missing.Whitson told Frank Rosenfelt, former president and CEO of MGM, that he met Manson before the murders at Cielo Drive, and the murders could have been prevented, but no one in law enforcement would listen to him. Even Sharon Tate's father, Paul Tate, was a former Colonel in Military Intelligence and conducted his own investigation. If the man had any relationship with the US government, he'd have had health coverage. William Weston said "according to the Marie Vigil letters, the man who left the eyeglasses was Robert Linkletter. He's never going to be executed but hopefully he will suffer a long painful death. ..the housekeeper* told me, "That flag has always been here. Ha,ha Ms Katie.Maybe for you "life just gets more better and more clearer"but for me?.NEVERMINDlolMario George Nitrini 111-----The OJ Simpson Case. I read Chaos, but came to a very different conclusion. [He said] to was impossible that hed move into the Cielo house in January 1969, for one simple reason: he gone to prison then. pg201"Reeve was my main person to help me," PJ Tate said. Chapter 11 - Mind Control; Chapter 10 - The Haight-Ashbury Free Medical Clinic; Chapter 9 - Manson's Get-Out-of-Jail-Free Card; Chapter 8 - The Lawyer Swap; Chapter 7 - Neutralizing the Left; Chapter 6 - Who Was . Moorehouse said hed lived at Cielo off and on throughout the summer of 68, when Melcher was there. The flag was put on the couch after she and her co-murderers left, where it would be seen by Winifred in the morning. I neither believe nor disbelieve it although I'm being generous there because you've given me way more reason to disbelieve it. Reeve Whitson was a major player in the Laurel Canyon scene. 139 0 obj <>stream So he proved his willingness to collude with the Feds. What can anyone remember about a place they went yesterday, and I mean detail specific ? Now, you'll know from past exchanges that I don't take what you have to say with any seriousness, not because I'm disinterested in what you say, but because you continually dangle but don't deliver. However, to be fair to ONeill, when I said that Hatami mentioned Whitson four times, I was being a bit sloppy in my choice of words. He told me he was there after the murders, but before the police got there. Her story has changed more than once. What I'm getting at is that so many people have said so many things over the years and so often, information has been confused, mis-stated, misconstrued and people have projected something as fact when there has been no evidence to support it or any finding of proof. katie8753 said"I've still never heard of Reeve Whitson.Who was Reeve Whitson? Shahrokh Hatami, Tate's personal photographer, admits to O'Neill that he learned of the murders by telephone, from an intelligence agent named Reeve Whitson, ninety minutes before the police were even called to the scene. Oddly, he frequently took his daughter with him on these flights. Shahrokh Hatami of course hahahahahahaha. Are YOU REAL. Retweets. Paul H. Does anyone have any additional info on Reeve Whitson? -Excerpt from Sharon Tate - A Life by Ed Sanders "Hatami told me he has no memory at all of Manson coming to the front door of Cielo Drive, but that the memory was suggested to him by an investigator named Reeve Whitson, who worked for both Col. Paul Tate and the prosecutor Vince Bugliosi." According to Bobby Jameson on his blog, he and his friend Harvey Dareff were at or near the Tate house the night before the murders. William Weston said Hatami mentioned the name Reeve Whitson four times in his testimony at the Manson trialNo he did not. Reeve lived in 1935, at address, Indiana. "Sorry Starviego, this all sounds like nonsense to me. He saw Reeve later that night.Since Reeve Whitson was at the house the night before the murders, when was he there? The first car he asked about was Abigail's. I am in Chapter 6, when Reeve Whitson is just being introduced as the cryptic CIA agent "He used his thumbnail to tear the top-right-hand corner of every piece of paper he handled, to mark it. He also confirmed a detail from Ed Sanders The Family that Melcher had let him borrow his Jaguar for the long drive to Ukiah.So Buglisois timeline was wrong and Melcher lied to me. Whitson could have gone into the house after Manson and his partner left, perhaps to perform necessary but mundane tasks such as removing bugs from the telephone and/or other places before the police arrived. He gave him a piano. A little known fact is that Reeve Whitson was involved in the push to make a street legal version of the GT40, otherwise known as the Mark III GT40. According to Bugliosi, p. 85, the time was between 7:30 and 8:00. It's the stuff conspiracy theories are made of ! However, I am not disputing O'Neill's sources. I remember reading that Moorehouse molested his daughtersIf there's one thing I've come to realize in regard to TLB and other matters of such complexity that have attracted much thought, controversy, speculation and revision, it's that the phrase "I read somewhere" or "I remember reading/seeing somewhere" is one that is fraught with pitfalls because it's almost used as a barometer of the truth of the matter whereas in actuality, it could mean anything, something or nothing at all. grimtraveller,It's not a problem for me for you to be Skeptical of me.If you're not interested what I tweet on Twitter about The Charles Manson Family & Saga, again, no problem for me.Thanks for your replies back to me.Mario George Nitrini 111-------The OJ Simpson Case. Read up on their historyI'm in full agreement with you on this. TJ ? Anderson was a known handler of CIA operatives after he left government in the early 60s. He probably didn't mention his Mum or his son but it doesn't mean they weren't in his mind. Some have atrocious recall, Tex & Pat falling into that category. Mon Durphy, youre forgetting Manson, his mysterious partner, and of course Whitson who was in the house after the murders but before the police came. It's much more factual than Helter Skelter. He also confirmed a detail from Ed Sanders' "The Family" that Melcher had let him borrow his Jaguar for the long drive to UkiahThis might be high tension wire drama.were it not for the fact that this has been public record since 1971. He had advance knowledge of the murders at the Tate house, because he had the house under surveillance.William, if this guy was a close friend of Sebring, Tate and Polanski, and knew about the murders before they happened, why didn't he warn Tate & Sebring? Is Moorehouse still alive? "Thanks Grim,Another, more serious, error in HS, p. 49, is that it gives the license plate of Parent's car as ZLR 694. 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